Jakarta EE Platform Call

Date: 2023-04-25

Present:

• Jan Westerkamp (iJUG)
• Ed Burns (MSFT)
• Jared Anderson (IBM)
• Jim Krueger (IBM)
• Nathan Rauh (IBM)
• Tom Watson (IBM)
• Tanja Obradovic (Eclipse Foundation)
• Cesar Hernandez (Tomitribe)
• Jean-Louis Monteiro (Tomitribe)
• John Clingan (Red Hat)
• Petr Aubrecht (Payara)
• Arjan Tijms (OmniFish)
• Scott Stark (Red Hat)
• Werner Keil (Committer/Ambassador)
• Dmitry Kornilov (Oracle)

Agenda and Minutes

Jakarta EE 11 Release Plan DRAFT (source link)

• E11 labeled issues

• Jakarta EE 11 Discussion - Google Docs

• Jakarta EE 11 - Project Lead Survey (Responses) - Google Sheets

  • How each spec lead responded to the question of what work they intend to do during EE 11.
    • This spreadsheet was created from responses to the survey
    • Security is the umbrella spec
      • Authentication and authorization have been refactored/rebased/folded/merged into into Security
      • https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/2965
      • https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/emo-team/emo/-/issues/392
  • Based on these responses, the platform team will approve or reject these proposals for inclusion into EE11.
  • Are we missing any responses?
    • Messaging
      • Slack channel
    • Enterprise Beans
    • Expression Language
    • Connectors
    • Batch
    • Annotations
    • Dependency Injection
    • Bean Validation
    • Standard Tag Library
  • Jan suggested if we still can’t get a response, after actively seeking, then we consider not including it in the EE 11 platform. And if somebody wants to still have it as part of the platform, then can take over the maintenance of the component spec.

Jakarta EE 11 Release lead and co-lead:

• Ed Burns and Arjan Tijms
• Ensure Ed and Arjan have sufficient role empowerment in https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform

Better involvement from Greater China Region (GCR) members

• Ed to take this up with Emily

Was the JQA dependency analysis helpful?

• [Scott Strak] Yes, but post mortem analysis is not sufficient.
• [Jan] Can spend some time to automate the analysis and then it can be used for QA on the CI/CD process (and may break on quality gates).

Delivery timeline

• Timeboxed at the expense of feature set?
• Delay delivery to get feature set?
• Scott asserted that because it is expensive to do a platform certification
  • there is no value in doing an EE 11 unless there are new features.
  • The cost of doing the certification due to all of the complexity in running the antiquated and complex ways of running TCKs.

Ability to have Arjan be a committer requires an election.

• https://www.eclipse.org/projects/handbook/#elections-committer