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Date: 2025-06-17
Present:
- Jared Anderson (IBM)
- Kyle Aure (IBM)
- Emily Jiang (IBM)
- Chithra Mini (IBM)
- Anand N K (IBM)
- Nathan Rauh (IBM)
- Tom Watson (IBM)
- Jan Westerkamp (iJUG)
- Michael Redlich (Garden State JUG)
- Ed Burns (Microsoft)
- Petr Aubrecht (Payara)
- Arjan Tijms (OmniFish)
- Scott Stark (Red Hat)
Top of mind for Ed, Arjan, Jared
- EE 11 Platform passed the ballot less than 12 hours ago.
- Re-order the order of business in this meeting.
- EE 12 first.
- Maintenance release related issues after.
- Working Group session today at Steering Committee time slot
Jakarta EE 12
- MP and Jakarta update
- JESP discussion at the Jakarta specification committee meeting and subsequent ballot about jakarta namespace requirement update has caused some concern
- Still no MP WG ballot timeline
- Concern expressed about governance openness difference between MP and Jakarta – Specification and Steering committee meetings
- Jakarta WG charter defines the governance model
- Jakarta tech meetings are open
- Jakarta governance committee meetings in the past were not attended beyond the required members when they were more open and there was some zoom bombing which should be addressed now
- Can be changed if desired
- If all of MP doesn’t come over to Jakarta, fallback solution would be to just bring over MP Config. This can become a testing ground for the rest of MP.
- Would be good to possibly bring in MP JWT into Security and MP Rest Client into Restful Web Services specs
- Tanja brought up discussion about what is Jakarta doing about AI
- Hearing questions from people in the industry / social media in response to things like Spring AI
- This topic also comes up and is discussed during the Jakarta Futures Interest meetings happening every other week
- MicroProfile AI using langchain4j with CDI exists out there
- With merge of MP into Jakarta, it would become part of Jakarta as well
- With AI / LLM offerings changing their APIs frequently, it didn’t make sense to have our own Jakarta specification until things become more stable with a langchain4j implementation
- An API provided by Jakarta would be a client API, not a server API
- MP API doesn’t provide an agentic AI offering yet
- Could consider having an expert within the Jakarta community to work on / discuss AI
- Attending Jakarta Futures and MP AI should be done by people who are interested
- There are multiple implementations out there, but may not be mature enough and changing so much to standardize. Would need to pick one to prototype on
- Would be good for us to discuss this with a statement / blog about our direction based off of watching what is happening and considering a future direction when things stabilize more
- ACTION: Ed Burns to create a gist that answers the question, “What is Open Standard Enterprise Java’s answer to AI?”. This gist will be iterated and its content published on https://jakarta.ee/blogs/ .
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